Month 1997-7 July
Meeting of 1997-7-29 Special Meeting
MINUTES
LAWTON CITY COUNCIL SPECIAL MEETING
JULY 29, 1997 - 5:00 P.M.
WAYNE GILLEY CITY HALL COUNCIL CHAMBER
John T. Marley, Mayor, Also Present:
Presiding Gil Schumpert, City Manager
Felix Cruz, City Attorney
Sandra Rench, Deputy City Clerk
The meeting was called to order at 5:00 p.m. by Mayor Marley.
Notice of meeting and agenda were posted on the City Hall
bulletin board as required by State law.
ROLL CALL
Present: Richard Williams, Ward Two
Joe Dutcher, Ward Three
John Purcell, Ward Four
Robert Shanklin, Ward Five
Charles Beller, Ward Six
Carol Green, Ward Seven
*Randy Warren, Ward Eight
Absent: Jody Maples, Ward One
Warren arrived at approximately 5:03.
BUSINESS ITEMS:
1. Pursuant to Section 307B4, Title 25, Oklahoma Statutes,
consider convening in executive session to discuss a pending
lawsuit styled Clifford Dossey and Mildred Dossey v. City of
Lawton, Case No. CJ-97-741, in the District Court of Comanche
County, and take appropriate action in open session. EXHIBITS:
NONE.
Mayor Marley said the Council needs to convene in executive
session regarding an emergency item.
MOTION by Williams, SECOND by Purcell, to convene in executive
session as recommended. AYE: Beller, Green, Williams, Sadler,
Purcell, Shanklin. NAY: None. MOTION CARRIED.
The Mayor and Council convened in executive session at
approximately 5:03 p.m. and reconvened in regular, open session
at 5:25 p.m. with roll call reflecting all members present except
Maples and Shanklin. Shanklin returned to the meeting after roll
call.
Cruz reported the Mayor and Council met in executive session to
discuss the city's proposed answer in the Dossey case and
discussed with the Mayor and Council what the answer would
consist of. Heasked the City Council to approve a resolution
authorizing the City Attorney to file an answer in the Dossey
case in District Court based on the general terms discussed in
executive session.
MOTION by Beller, SECOND by Green, to approve a resolution
authorizing the City Attorney to file an answer in the Dossey
case in District Court. AYE: Warren, Williams, Sadler, Purcell,
Shanklin, Beller, Green. NAY: None. MOTION CARRIED.
(Title only) RESOLUTION NO. 97-95
A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING AND DIRECTING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO FILE
AN ANSWER IN THE LAWSUIT STYLED DOSSEY V. CITY OF LAWTON, CASE
NUMBER CJ-97-741, IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF COMANCHE COUNTY,
OKLAHOMA; AND AUTHORIZING THE CITY ATTORNEY TO THEREIN ADMIT, FOR
THE PURPOSE OF OBTAINING AN EXPEDITIOUS RESOLUTION OF THIS
MATTER, NONCOMPLIANCE WITH THE STATUTE GOVERNING ANNEXATION BY
CITIES IN OKLAHOMA IN THE MANNER ALLEGED IN SAID SUIT.
2. Receive briefing and discuss possible options with regard
to Wolf Creek drainage, and take appropriate action. EXHIBITS:
NONE.
Schumpert said prior to discussing the budget the Council
indicated they preferred to have a workshop to discuss Wolf
Creek. He said they had an agreement with the Corps of Engineers
for a report/project/plan and study which was tabled and this
meeting is being held for the Public Works director to discuss
with the Council the various activities and options that relate
to Wolf Creek.
Jerry Ihler provided and reviewed a summary of projects as
follows:
Detention Reservoir B-1
October 22, 1996: Council authorized City staff to negotiate with
the property owner for acquisition of the property located south
of Rogers Lane and east of NW 67th Street for the purpose of
construction of a proposed detention reservoir. The City was
already negotiating for a portion of this property as part of the
Rogers Lane Phase IV Road Reconstruction Project.
July 8, 1997: The property owner and the City entered into an
agreement for the purchase of approximately 53.442 acres of land
for the Rogers Lane Phase IV Road Reconstruction Project and the
proposed site for the B-1 detention reservoir located south of
Rogers Lane and east of NW 67th Street. It is anticipated that
the closing for purchase of this property will be Thursday, July
31, 1997.
A-1 and C-1 Reservoirs
January 28, 1997: Council authorized staff to solicit Request for
Proposals for professional engineering services for design and
construction of Flood Control Reservoirs A-1 and C-1 located on
Fort Sill.
April 21, 1997: Council Engineering Selection Committee reviewed
proposals received from twelve (12) engineering firms and
selected three (3) firms based on qualifications to submit fee
proposals for engineering services for design and construction of
A-1 and C-1 Flood Control Reservoirs on Ft. Sill.
June 3, 1997: Engineering Selection Committee tabled any action
on recommending to the City Council award of an engineering
contract for design and construction of A-1 and C-1 Flood Control
Reservoirs until a special meeting could be held sometime after
the budget was approved.
Corps of Engineers Agreement
January 14, 1997: Council received a presentation of the Wolf
Creek Middle Branch Mitigation Report identifying and
prioritizing drainage projects within the Wolf Creek Drainage
Basin. Council accepted the "Plan of Action" deleting any
reference to priorities in the plan and directed staff to
coordinate and work with the Army Corps of Engineers regarding a
joint project addressing the flooding issues along the Middle
Branch of Wolf Creek.
May 13, 1997: Council tabled any action on approving an agreement
with the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, Tulsa District, to
conduct a Feasibility Study for the Middle Branch of Wolf Creek
until a special meeting could be held sometime after the budget
was approved.
Lawton Country Club Golf Course
March 18, 1997: Meeting between representatives from the City of
Lawton and the Lawton Country Club Golf Course to discuss
improvements to the Middle Branch of Wolf Creek across the
Country Club Golf Course property.
April 2, 1997: Mayor Marley sent a letter to Mr. Kenney Graham,
president of the Country Club board, summarizing the City's
understanding of the results of the March 18, 1997 meeting and
providing a list of improvements to be accomplished as part of
the project.
June 19, 1997: The City received a letter from Gary Wheatly,
representative for the Country Club, indicating that the Lawton
Country Club Golf Course Board of Directors would probably be
willing to work with the City of Lawton on this storm mitigation
project with Council assurance that the listed improvements from
the April 2, 1997 letter would be made. One additional item the
Board wants discussed is consideration for loss of income to the
Country Club and Pro-Shop incurred by closing half the course for
a period of several months. The City Attorney's Office is working
on a draft agreement with the Country Club.
Ihler reviewed information regarding:
Detention Reservoir B-1:
Preliminary Estimated Costs: $1,500,000 (Design & Const.)
City Share Funding: 100% - would be City project
Pros: (1) Reduces flooding on Middle Branch of Wolf Creek; (2)
City has purchased right-of-way - could start project after
engineering designs are complete; (3) Time frame through
construction estimated to be 2 years - date from authorizing
design.
Cons: Benefit/Cost ratio - Moderate (compared to the other 3
projects)
Location: 67th Street & Rogers Lane - property recently
purchased.
RFP's for A-1 and C-1
Preliminary Estimated Costs: $450,000 (Study & Design) $4,000,000
(Construction & right-of-way)
City Share Funding: 100%
Pros: (1) Reduction in floodplain on east & west branch of Wolf
Creek; (2) Time frame through construction estimated to be 4
years
Cons: (1) Benefit/Cost ratio - low - currently they don't
experience a lot of damage to structures and property in these
areas so there would be little or no relief to the citizens; (2)
Does not solve Meadowbrook flooding problem; (3) High cost
Location: Fort Sill
Corps of Engineers Project:
Preliminary Estimated Costs: $175,000 (City Share of Feasibility
Study) $3,500,000 (Estimated construction includes design and
right-of-way)
City Share Funding: 35% or $1,200,000 - Feasibility Study is a
50/50 cost share with the Corps of Engineers.
Pros: (1) Cost savings - 65% of the project would be federally
funded; (2) Reduce flooding on Middle branch Wolf Creek
Cons: (1) Feasibility study may not justify project; (2) Project
may not remove all homes from flooding; (3) Time frame through
construction estimated to be 5 - 6 years
Location: Confluence of the middle branch and main branch of Wolf
Creek northwest to Cache Road including Golf Course on Middle
Branch Wolf of Creek.
Ihler said if the Corps agrees after the Feasibility Study that
the benefit cost ratio is high enough to warrant them to move
into engineering design and construction, the cost sharing
portion of the project with the Corps would be 35% for the City
and 65% for the Corps which would be approximately $1,200,000 for
construction. If the Corps does not determine the project is
feasible the City would have already paid $175,000 for the study
and the Corps would not participate in construction because the
results could show the cost benefit was not there for them. He
said the project may not remove all of the homes from the
floodway because the Mitigation report provided for a 60' wide
bottom width channel to go through the entire middle branch of
Wolf Creek and as a result of all the projects listed in the
mitigation report, at the time it was constructed, all of those
homes would be removed from the floodplain that currently exists.
He said the channel as constructed would carry the water during a
100 year storm within its banks.
Beller referenced the 15 inches of rain Elgin received a few
weeks ago and asked if Lawton was to get that amount of rain in
the area in question, where would the City have been. He asked if
they could feed that into the model to determine if they would
have been inundated. Ihler said they could put some information
into the model but talking to people in that area, receiving 9
inches of rain in as short a time period as 1 1/2 hours, the
charts in that area would show it to be greater than a 500 year
storm. He said if they transposed 9 inches of rain in 1 1/2 hours
over their water shed, the middle branch of Wolf Creek, Lawton
would be in big trouble.
Ihler said if they enter a joint agreement with the Corps the
study may not remove all of the homes because the Corps is going
to be looking at the benefit cost ratio and several alternatives
for footage of channels. He said the study may show construction
of a 40 foot channel which will remove most of the homes but if
removing the last of the homes would increase the construction by
many millions of dollars the benefit cost ratio may not be high
enough to warrant the Corps participating in removing all of the
homes. He said any project with the Corps would remove the
majority of homes and the detention reservoir would handle the
large storms they are attempting to take care of.
Purcell asked how many homes flood at this point. Ihler said a
computer model for this area shows that during a 100 year storm
42 homes would be inundated. He said this is a primary drain
channel and the Code recommends they design them to handle 100
year storms.
Shanklin asked how many times they have had a 100 year storm
during the last 5 years. Ihler said with regard to the middle
branch they have not received a 100 year storm. He said in
October of 1983 they had a 100 year storm on the east branch of
Cache Creek and he was told it also occurred in 1986 and
understands it has occurred on the East Cache Creek basin. He
said the 100 year storm provides that there is a 1% chance that
this amount of rainfall may occur during any one year.
Shanklin said the bridge at 26th and Bishop is where all the
water is being funneled. He said the new bridge at 38th and
Bishop may only be 100 feet wide and 10 to 12 feet deep which
will handle the water that can come through to Hawthorne's and
McCaffree's properties but it can't get through at 26th and
Bishop, it would go out of its banks. Ihler said if it can't pass
the 100 year flow it will back up but they designed the 38th
Street bridge to handle a 100 year storm. Shanklin said it
matches 44th and Gore but it can't get through the mile. Ihler
said they can discuss the report that was done several years ago
south of Gore which indicated it is too flat and making
improvements of possibly two cells to the Gore Boulevard box
would provide minimal relief to the rest of the area. He said the
area that gets inundated as a result of not straightening out the
channel or removing debris on Cameron University property is the
University, by the time the backwater takes effect and gets into
Gore Boulevard there is little or no effect to the area upstream.
Shanklin asked if they have the expertise to say whether they
have had a 100 year flood and there is a formula that FEMA has
but Doe Doe Park which to his knowledge has never flooded is in
the flood area. He said they don't know whether they have had a
100 year flood because they don't know how much rain fell in
those tributaries. Ihler said they can look at the rain gauges,
the newspapers and different areas of the city and if they had
the measurement over time they may be able to tell what the
approximate year storm was and may be able to make that
determination based on historical data for the year type of
storm. Shanklin said last year they had areas that flooded on
South 11th that have never flooded before and they don't know if
that was a 10 year or as much as a 100 year flood. Ihler said if
Shanklin is referencing the storm on August 28, 1996 they went
back and looked at the chart and based on the rainfall over
periods of time they had estimated it to be approximately a 25
year flood and there isn't much of a difference between the water
surface elevation of a 25 year and a 100 year storm.
Shanklin asked if the bridge at 26th and Bishop is the size of
the bridge he would have built. Ihler said he doesn't know what
the size of the bridge is, it is the small tributary. Shanklin
said that is where Wolf Creek comes across from Cameron and goes
to Cache Creek. Ihler said Council was provided alternatives of
costs and the 100 year storm or greater than the existing bridge
it was an economic decision as well as what would be effected and
the wish was to let the County build the bridge that doubled the
capacity but wouldn't address the 100 year storm.
Schumpert said the Council was provided four options at that
time. Shanklin said they should not have been provided the
options because the water cannot all get through there. Schumpert
said when the modeling was done for that area, because the drop
of land elevation from Gore bridge across the creek is so slight
that the size of the structure had little to do with what will
happen because it is not sloped enough for the water to leave,
because it is too flat.
Ihler said as it backs out and spreads out there is no damage to
the property because there are no structures, just land, the ball
fields at McMahon and Cameron University.
Purcell said in reference to the 26th and Bishop Bridge, if so
much water gets to the bridge that it can't go under it, won't
the water just flow over and around the bridge. Ihler said yes.
Purcell said he doesn't understand if it can still flow over it
and around it how it impacts on the flooding in Meadowbrook.
Shanklin said any time you get out of the channel you have fences
and debris and it will impede the flow of the water and back the
water up.
Ihler continued with the review of the Corps Project and the time
frame of 5 to 6 years for the project. He said the Corps will
look at everything they can to expedite that if they were to
enter into an agreement. The Feasibility study is approximately 2
years; plans and specification 1 year; right of way acquisition 1
year; and construction 1 1/2 to 2 years.
Beller asked if taking two years for the feasibility study would
be because of the funding. Ihler said the funding for the
feasibility study is available and the time factor is that they
have to do the environmental impact studies, the mitigation
reports and archeological reports which are all time consuming.
Beller said that would be a project they should be interested in.
Lawton Country Club Golf Course:
Preliminary Estimated Costs: $600,000 (approx.) Design by City
right-of-way cost undetermined
City Share Funding: 100%
Pros: (1) Reduces flooding on Middle Branch Wolf Creek; (2) Time
frame through construction estimated to be 2 years pending right-of-way
Cons: (1) Benefit/Cost ratio - moderate; (2) Negotiation of
right-of-way
Location: Confluence to northern boundary of Golf Course
Ihler said if they go forward with the Corps project they would
not be pursuing the Country Club from the standpoint of their
project, they would be asking the Corps to incorporate into their
project the alternatives they have discussed with the Country
Club and would work closely with them to try to accommodate some
of those items and things they have discussed.
Sadler asked if the Country Club part is already part of the
feasibility study or just north of Meadowbrook. Ihler said what
they have presented to the Country Club would be looked at and
analyzed as part of the feasibility study as one of the
alternatives.
Purcell said the whole purpose of this is to solve the flooding
problem in Meadowbrook and asked how many houses there today
flood every time they get a big rain. Ihler said there are 10 to
12 that flood.
Purcell said the number of houses they would have to get rid of
for a 100 year flood would be approximately 42. Schumpert said
not that they would have to get rid of but it would effect 42
homes.
Purcell asked how wide they would have to make the middle branch
of Wolf Creek to preclude those 42 homes from flooding. Ihler
said they would need to construct a 60 foot wide channel. Purcell
asked how many homes would have to be eliminated to build it.
Ihler said he believed they would have to purchase 8 homes in
order to construct the channel.
Ihler provided the Staff Recommendations: (1) Approve an
agreement with the U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, Tulsa District,
to conduct a Feasibility Study for the Middle Branch of Wolf
Creek and authorize the Mayor and City Council to execute the
agreement. (Funding source: $1.5 million from 1995 CIP). (2)
Authorize staff to receive fee proposals from the three most
qualified firms short listed on the A-1, C-1 Reservoir Project
for engineering services to design B-1 Reservoir located south of
Rogers Lane and east of NW 67th Street. (Funding source: $1.5
million from 1995 CIP).
Ihler said staff is recommending moving forward with both
recommendations and based on the reconnaissance study, the
willingness of the Corps to look at the options the City
provided, that they should take the risk and do the joint
feasibility study to determine if the Corps will participate. He
said entering into an agreement with the Corps will take care of
the confluence all the way up to Cache Road.
Schumpert said even if they spend $175,000 and the Corps chooses
not to participate the City would still have the results of the
studies, the preliminary work allows the City to go into the
design and construction. Ihler said it provides the City with a
multitude of information so that if the City needs to go forward
on their own they would have the information available to
proceed.
Purcell said if they do the feasibility study and the
recommendation is for a 60 foot wide ditch where as a minimum
they would have to purchase approximately 8 houses, asked if it
would be cheaper to purchase those homes through the proper
procedures to see what the problem is rather than spending $4 to
$5 million to solve this problem. Ihler said they would still
have 34 houses that will be inundated during a 100 year storm
causing property damage. He said they have a strong idea that
there are going to be 8 homes, no matter what they do, that will
need to be purchased to construct some type of channel. He said
it would be prudent on the part of the City to look at purchasing
those homes when they are up for sale for $80,000 to $90,000
versus going through condemnation proceedings and possibly paying
relocation costs and $150,000 to $200,000. Purcell said it
alleviates the problem of those same people coming before the
Council because they flood with even small amounts of rain. Ihler
said if the Corps is going to participate it is his understanding
the Corps will participate in the right-of-way acquisition cost
of 65% and may want to wait until after the study. He said he
wants to discuss with the Corps, in regard to purchasing homes,
if this could go towards in-kind service towards the construction
and right-of-way acquisition down the road if the city purchased
those now.
Shanklin asked if the feasibility study would have anything to do
with downstream from 6th and Bishop and East Cache Road or would
they just ignore that and take care of this area hoping they
don't have a flood in both branches. Ihler said this feasibility
study basically operates north of Gore at the confluence.
Shanklin said he thinks it has to be done but is worried they are
going to have all of those 1995 CIP moneys encumbered and when
the 1995 CIP ends December 31, 1999 they will have spent all of
the money on 10 or 12 houses that are flooding. He asked Bigham
to provide a copy of the money FEMA has spent in Lawton, the
premiums that have been brought in and the number of claims, it
is staggering. He said with the premiums that are being collected
it was only about $250,000 that FEMA had spent on flooding in
Lawton and the Council is considering spending $8 to $10 million
on all of them against that figure and need to see that figure
before they make a concrete decision. He said he has no problem
with a feasibility study they are going to get it put on them
anyway.
Ihler reviewed recommendation (2) provided above and requested
authorization for the staff to request a rescoping of the
original project asking those three firms that were chosen based
on qualifications, to submit design proposals for design of B-1.
Shanklin asked if B-1 would run down to Cache Road and if that is
where the Corps of Engineers will start their feasibility study.
Ihler said it will start at Cache Road down to the confluence to
include the Golf Course.
Sadler asked where they are on the funding for B-1. Ihler said
they are going to close on Thursday. Sadler asked if the money
has been set aside for the construction. Ihler said no it hasn't.
Schumpert said if they were to approve what he is recommending
they would take the money from the 1995 CIP.
Beller asked if Ihler is asking the Council to approve the
recommendation. Schumpert said it would be both recommendations.
Purcell asked if they would be approving $1.5 million for item
(2) and if they would only need to obligate $175,000 for the
feasibility study, they wouldn't have to obligate the whole $1.5
million at this point in time. Schumpert said the recommendation
is that they don't need to do the feasibility study and then try
to find the money to do the project. Purcell asked how long the
feasibility study would take to get done. Beller said it will be
two years, if they go forward with the feasibility study they
need to be assured they have funding for it.
Schumpert said they would probably spend some of the money to
take some corrective action after the feasibility study is
completed whether the Corps participates or not.
Beller said if they do item one they almost have to do item two
this evening, if they do the feasibility they should look for
engineers to do the B-1. Schumpert said they are recommending the
Detention Reservoir B-1 and the Corps of Engineers Project. He
said on the B-1 engineering selection process Ihler is suggesting
they request the three firms the Engineer Selection Committee
selected for the A-1 and C-1 to develop fee proposals for the B-1
instead.
Shanklin said two is more important than one because all the
water that is going to get into the middle branch is what falls
on it south of the B-1 reservoir.
Beller said the participation of the Corps of Engineers with 65%
funding makes it more palatable. Shanklin said they can spend
$175,000 but that doesn't mean they have to encumber those funds
right now. Beller said if they don't encumber the funds they
can't insure they can go forward. Shanklin said there is no
assurance they will go forward after the feasibility study is
complete they may have some other emergencies come up.
Schumpert said an example is the WWTP which was started in 1971
and will be a 15 mgd plant in 1998 because they almost never
encumber the money to do what they need to do.
Ihler said if at the end of the feasibility study the Corps will
not participate they would still move forward with the project
through with the City using those funds to make improvements from
the confluence through the Golf Course.
Purcell said if the Corps tells them it is a bad idea and it
won't solve their problem would they then proceed with their own
money to do it. Schumpert said no. Purcell said the purpose of
the feasibility study is to see if it is going to work and if
they say no amount of money is going to make this work he
wouldn't think they would spend any of the City money. Schumpert
said they wouldn't, but they have the funds now and this appears
to be a very important project to the City of Lawton which has
the funds so why not set them aside or encumber them, and if it
comes about that the Corps won't participate and it is the wrong
way to approach it then the funds can be used for some other
purpose. He said they would have the feasibility study and two
years from now they are in another CIP and need $1.0 million and
the public votes down a sales tax, etc. then they are tasking the
general fund to come up with that amount of money to do this
project that the Corps will participate in if they only had a
million dollars.
Purcell said if they spend the $1.5 million dollars that solves
the problem for 42 home owners and they may be able to use that
money for thousands of people and asked what happens when they
have to replace water pipes that keep breaking and need the money
to redo water pipes that impact on 1,000 people rather than to
put the money on something that only impacts 42 people between
now and 1999.
Ihler said they could start utilizing the money to start
purchasing the homes as they come up for sale.
Beller asked if Ihler is recommending they encumber the $1.5
million. Ihler said that is the staff recommendation.
Williams said even if they encumber it does not mean they can't
use it for something else or that some other funding source may
not become available in the future.
Sadler said they need to encumber the money because they are
going to spend it one way or another they may find some type of
grant or matching funds.
Shanklin said they need to leave some of this money out there for
the people to vote for another CIP rather than spending it all on
Meadowbrook when not everyone lives there and they don't drive
through it.
Purcell asked if they encumber $1.5 million and find they need it
for something else, can they change it. Schumpert said until they
identify a project and award the contract, that money is simply
setting there, it is like fund 35.
Williams said he thinks they should adopt both of the
recommendations and work towards the feasibility study on number
2.
MOTION by Williams, SECOND by Beller, to recommend staff's
recommendation (1) and (2) and encumber $3 million for the two
projects.
Beller said they need to identify the funding and if they need it
somewhere they would have it and recommended "earmarking" the
funding rather than "encumbering".
AMENDED MOTION by Williams: to "earmark" the funds rather than
"encumbering" the funds for these two projects.
VOTE ON AMENDED MOTION: to recommend staff's recommendation (1)
and (2) and earmark $3 million for the two projects. AYE:
Williams, Sadler, Purcell, Shanklin, Beller, Green, Warren. NAY:
None. MOTION CARRIED.
Williams said in regard to the article in the newspaper on the
rodent problem in Elmer Thomas Park, he talked to and challenged
a lady for her and her friends to get involved in this issue and
they may want to start some type of fund to help pay for the
humane capture of those little critters and find some other
source that would take them off the City's hands.
There was no further business and the meeting adjourned at 6:15
p.m.